WILLIAM S. SADLER, JR.
23 July 1960
OKLAHOMA CITY, OKLAHOMA
Part 5 of 11
Transcribed by Kristen Maaherra
Scanned by Christel Schmidt
Formatted by David KantorPart 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 Part 5 Part 6 Part 7 Part 8 Part 9 Part 10 Part 11
Can you stand off and laugh at yourself?
Audience: Can you be objective.
Yeah.
Audience: Not completely.
You can't be completely, but you can do it partially. And, if you're not taking yourself seriously in the process, I'd say this is pretty good evidence that you're not paranoid. If you're taking yourself seriously, I think you're in jeopardy.
Audience: Bill, I don't know how to say this, I hope I can come out with the words. It goes back to what you said about success, it's all relative. To me, a success is a person who, having so-called as far as the rest of the world is concerned, failed, doesn't get up and go on again. (Can't understand tape). If he did, or she did this right or wrong, is immaterial. It's like a beating, which end of the stick do you want to be on--giving or getting.
That's right. That's right. Well, this is again, if they had the same (can't understand tape) mind--why don't we have a break? When do we quit here, Mr. President?
Audience: Shortly.
Break in tape.
Audience: ... this having just been started-
Nope.
Audience: He was going against his superior.
He was the chief justice of the planetary supreme court, though. He had a good legal mind. Those aptitudes he had. Van's group, his 10, were approved by the constellation authorities. And they picked Van as being a real lawyer. Van had a good legal mind. I think that's why he held that commanding post.
Audience: (Can't understand tape).
I suspect so. Well, anyway.
Audience: That back here was reasoning power?
I think it was reasoning plus spiritual insight.
Audience: I thought Van didn't have a Thought Adjuster.
No, but he had a soul, which had grown to superhuman proportions.
Audience: (Can't understand tape).
Van was more than a human being. Van was a human being as of citizenship status on Jerusem. Let's say, it takes 700 years to go through the mansion worlds. A hundred years on each world. That's not unreasonable. I wouldn't get bored in a hundred years on a new world. Would you?
Audience: Well, I don't know. I'll tell you more about that in about 800 years.
All right. And then he'd been on Jerusem some indefinite length of time. Let's say Van was 1000 years old. Compare anyone of us with 1000 years of experience behind us as compared with ourselves today. And we would be--even if we just lived down here as mortals--we'd have a lot on the ball that we couldn't possibly have today.
Audience: Well, then he had the attitude (Can't understand tape) beside ... he had the accumulation--
He was presented with a superhuman challenge, but he was a superhuman being. And I'd say the challenge was proportional to his aptitudes and his capacity.
Amadon couldn't have met the challenge without the Adjuster. And thank the Lord he had an Adjuster who helped him when he needed help. You get help when you've earned it
And the most precise description of when they're able to help you and will is given in the story of Andon and Fonta. It was very important that those first two human beings get away from the ancestral tribe. But nobody could help them until they decided to flee. Now that was their decision. And then the Life Carriers gave them the one concept they needed: north. They had no maps. They decided to flee, and the Life Carriers supplied them with the sense of the correct direction to flee in.
Audience: Isn't there then a principle involved, that you have to be aware that you need help?
Yes.
Audience: Before you can make a decision that will leave a way for help.
Yes. And you have to exhaust your resources. When you've exhausted your resources, if you merit help, then I'm sure you get it. This I just don't doubt
Audience: Yes, I know.
You may not be conscious of the help, but you get it.
Audience: You get it And sometimes you are conscious of it.
Correct. Here, I'm a real believer. If I ever need help, and I've been diligent, and my gas tank is empty, I'm going to get a full tank of gas--or whatever it takes to get out of that pickle-ment. Now, that doesn't mean I'll be helped out of a physical jam, now. But out of a spiritual jam, yes.
Audience: Sometimes it's an idea.
Yes. Again, before we get into humor, they promise us this, in just so many words, in here: "Having started out on the way of life everlasting, having accepted the assignment and received your orders to advance, do not fear the dangers of human forgetfulness and mortal inconstancy, do not be troubled with doubts of failure or by perplexing confusion, do not falter and question your status and standing, for in every dark hour, at every crossroad in the forward struggle, the Spirit of Truth will always speak, saying;'This is the way.'" (383.last)
I think human beings are thrown, supremely, upon their own resources, until they've exhausted those resources. Then I think the whole universe will help you, if that's what it takes.
Audience: When you give up.
When you're out of gas and haven't given up.
Audience: When you haven't given up.
Audience: Well, but when you surrender.
When your gas tank is empty. You know you're out of gas when you ask for help.
Audience: That's right. And you ask for help, and you surrender your own will, really.
That's right
Audience: Up until then you've used everything you know.
It doesn't say, this is your way, but this is the way. It might not be a pleasant way.
Audience: No, it's awful, isn't it, sometimes.
Correct.
Audience: What page was that?
It's the last paragraph of the Paper on the Universe Mother Spirit, page 383. That's one of the great statements in the Papers, too. " ... in every dark hour, at every crossroad in the forward struggle, the Spirit of Truth will always speak ... "
Audience: No question.
They use the word "every" twice and "always" once--no exception.
Audience: It doesn't say, "a" way, it says, "the" way. "This is the way." Go ahead.
Audience: We're into humor now, right? What's yours, Berk.
Audience: I want to know how many personalities, outside of the midway creatures, participated in these papers.
Well, there were--I've forgotten exactly, but I think there were 24 in the Orvonton commission. And I've forgotten whether there were 12 or 24 in the commission that did Part II and III. There were, I think, 12 midwayers in the commission that did Part IV. That's my memory.
Audience: Well, I believe that's (cough) in Part IV, but I never had bothered to count them up, and I guess you could, couldn't you?
Now, I don't think that takes necessarily into consideration the authorship of the Papers, 'cause they could ask anybody to write a Paper. The authors of the Papers weren't necessarily members of these commissions.
Audience: I see.
For example, the author of Paper 119, "Bestowals of Christ Michael." The Chief of the Evening Stars of Nebadon, I'm sure, wasn't tied up in the revelatory commission. She's running a big show, here. She just wrote that Paper.
Audience: Bill, is that what held up the Forth Part for a while?
You going to turn off your machine -- both of them.
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Page 549. Paragraph 3: "When we are tempted to magnify our self-importance, if we stop to contemplate the infinity of the greatness and grandeur of our Makers, our own self-glorification becomes sublimely ridiculous, even verging on the humorous. One of the functions of humor is to help all of us take ourselves less seriously. Humor is the divine antidote for exaltation of ego."
To me, humor is indispensable to a healthy religious life. It says in the Paper on the Ministering Spirits of the Superuniverse that here on earth we grotesquely assay to measure human aptitudes, and, of course, that's how I make my living, in part. And I never let myself forget that their opinion of our professional efforts are grotesque. But we make a stab at measuring two things, among many others. One is, religious motivation, the other is sense of humor. When I hit a bona fide religious fanatic, he's fanatical not because he's got too much religion, but because his humor score is nowhere-nearly as good as his religious score. I've tested some very hard-headed businessmen who run a top-flight score in religion, and a top-flight score in humor. They take God seriously, but they don't take themselves seriously.
And I think if you want to emulate Van or Amadon, then I think you'd better have a sense of humor. Otherwise, you could close your mind. You could become like--let's see if I can find this.
Jesus and Ganid are at the museum in Alexandria. If you'll recall, the museum means, "the house of the Muses." This is a university, not what we call a museum today.
"Learned professors here gave daily lectures, and in those times this was the intellectual center of the Occidental world. Day by day Jesus interpreted the lectures to Ganid; one day during the second week the young man exclaimed: "Teacher Joshua, you know more than these professors; you should stand up and tell them the great things you have told me; they are befogged by much thinking. I shall speak to my father and have him arrange it." Jesus smiled, saying: "You are an admiring pupil, but these teachers are not minded that you and I should instruct them. The pride of unspiritua1ized learning is a treacherous thing in human experience. The true teacher maintains his intellectual integrity by ever remaining a learner." (1433.3)
I think one's only qualification to teach is to admit that one is a student. When you stop being a pupil, you're very quickly through as a teacher. And, again, how could you do it without humor? You see, these professors had lost their sense of humor. But Jesus hadn't
Well, on page 1233, they give us their philosophy of justice in terms of adjudication. Paragraph 3. It says you have to measure up to certain standards, but if, "through no fault of your own, the accidents of time and the handicaps of material existence prevent your mastering these levels on your native planet, if your intentions and desires are of survival value, there are issued the decrees of probation extension. You will be afforded additional time in which to prove yourself.
"If ever there is doubt as to the advisability of advancing a human identity to the mansion worlds, the universe governments invariably rule in the personal interests of that individual; they unhesitatingly advance such a soul to the status of a transitional being, while they continue their observations of the emerging morontia intent and spiritual purpose. Thus divine justice is certain of achievement, and divine mercy is accorded further opportunity for extending its ministry.
"The governments of Orvonton and Nebadon do not claim absolute perfection for the detail working of the universal plan of mortal repersonalization, but they do claim to, and actually do, manifest patience, tolerance, understanding, and merciful sympathy. We had rather assume the risk of a system rebellion than to court the hazard of depriving one struggling mortal from any evolutionary world of the eternal joy of pursuing the ascending career. "
Audience: I like that next paragraph, too.
"This does not mean that human beings are to enjoy a second opportunity in the face of the rejection of the first, not at all. But it does signify that all will creatures are to experience one true opportunity to make one undoubted, self-conscious, and final choice. The sovereign judges of the universes will not deprive any being of personality status who has not finally and fully made the eternal choice; the soul of man must and will be given full and ample opportunity to reveal its true intent and real purpose." (1233.3-6)
Audience: (Can't understand tape).
Then they don't survive.
Audience: (Can't understand tape).
I've never talked to such a person.
Audience: Laughter.
I don't know. I suspect he would be a rather unhappy mortal. And then I think if we turn to page 71, paragraph 2: "The material self has personality and identity, temporal identity; the prepersonal spirit Adjuster also has identity, eternal identity. This material personality and the spirit prepersonality are capable of so uniting their creative attributes as to bring into existence the surviving identity of the immortal soul."
Of course we got our personality from God; we got the Adjuster from God
"Having thus provided for the growth of the immortal soul and having liberated man's inner self from the fetters of absolute dependence on antecedent causation, the Father stands aside. Now, man having thus been liberated from the fetters of causation response, at least as pertains to eternal destiny, and provision having been made for the growth of the immortal self, the soul, it remains for man himself to will the creation or to inhibit the creation of this surviving and eternal self which is his for the choosing. No other being, force, creator, or agency in all the wide universe of universes can interfere to any degree with the absolute sovereignty of the mortal free will, as it operates within the realms of choice, regarding the eternal destiny of the personality of the choosing mortal. As pertains to eternal survival, God has decreed the sovereignty of the material and mortal will, and that decree is absolute. "
Then, at the bottom of the page:
"Concerning those personalities who are not Adjuster indwelt:
The attribute of choice-liberty is also bestowed by the universal Father, and such persons are likewise embraced in the great circuit of divine love, the personality circuit of the Universal Father. God provides for the sovereign choice of all true personalities. No personal creature can be coerced into the eternal adventure; the portal of eternity opens only in response to the freewill choice of the freewill sons of the God of free will. "
Here's your charter of liberty. And also, a formidable challenge. Because how could you have this liberty without accepting the consequences of its abuse? That's inescapable. You just can't have it and not have it. You either do or don't have it. And if you have it, then it's up to you. And if you don't have it, then--so help me--you're a piece of machinery, you're a robot.
There, we covered survival.
Berk, what did you want to talk about?
Audience: Oh, I can think of 10 or 15 things. It is warmer--
Audience: Do you want to turn this off?
No, I'll take my coat off Leave it alone.
Audience: No, no, don't you want it a little cooler?
Audience: No, the girls are freezing.
Audience: Oh, they are? Oh, excuse me.
We just don't have to be swaddled up.
Audience: Is it the "girls"?
Audience: Well, she shakes there for five minutes just like this. She gets a bang out of something Bill says, and the next time it's just plain old cold.
In the Chinese -- it's a wonderful thing -- I was reading about -- they set the temperature by saying, "It's a one-coat day, it's a two-coat day, it's a three-coat day," as it gets colder.
Audience: I would like for you--and of course I don't even know where this page is--that you are thoroughly convinced gives conflicting mistakes.
Let's take it up.
Audience: Let's take it up right now and dispense with it, in short order.
Audience: Let's see, now.
You find one page, and get the other page in this book.
Audience: I found it.
All right.
Audience: It's page 711.
Audience: I bet Bill can resolve it in one second
Audience: I hope so.
And what's the other part?
Audience: 711?
Audience: You mean that's conflicting? Oh, I only had the one.
Oh, I see, all right.
Audience: You mean it's all right on the same page?
Audience: Uh-huh.
Audience: 711?
Audience: I might have to go back a little bit, but I don't know that I will. I'll tell you what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the Thought Adjusters in Andon and Fonta.
Um-hum.
And it says up here that they pray they will be indwelt.
Um-hum.
Then down here, it tells about, "their vague feeling of being something more than mere animals was due to the possession of personality and was augmented by the indwelling presence of the Thought Adjusters." (711.Iast)
Audience: It says "archangels," it doesn't say Andon and Fonta.
Audience: No, I didn't say that Andon and Fonta prayed. When did they get their Adjusters? Do you see what I mean?
Well, sometime after the circuit had closed, but probably not very long after.
Audience: " ... all archangels pray that these creatures may speedily be endowed with the personal indwelling of the gift of the spirit of the Universal Father." (711.2) And then, " ... their vague feeling ... " (711.Iast) Read that whole paragraph.
Well, it doesn't say when it was augmented, Berk.
Audience: No, but it says that they had Thought Adjusters probably was the reason that they had quality of mind above some of those others.
No, but it says, " ... their vague feeling of being something more than mere animals was due to the possession of personality ... " Now, this had been going on for some time. " ... and was augmented by the indwelling presence of the Thought Adjusters." It doesn't say when it was augmented I think they got Adjusters fairly early. They didn't have 'em--
Audience: But why did they pray for them to be indwelt? Because that's before they had Adjusters. And then maybe they got--
Audience: Man mind has appeared on 606 of Satania.
Correct.
Audience: So, would you infer that they didn't have Adjusters when they made their first moral choice?
Just a minute. I'm going back to the preceding Paper to clear this up. Oh, yes. During the time they lived with their animal tribe, their feeling of being something more than mere animals was due to the possession of personality, and only personality, because this whole transaction didn't take place until the day after they ran away. Go back to page 709.
Audience: Yes, I realize that
So they got their Thought Adjusters later.
Audience: It was after they ran away that-
That they got Adjusters.
Audience: Berie, go back to the very first paragraph and read what all this quote is that has upset you so.
No, take page 709, last paragraph: "At noon the day after the runaway of the twins, there occurred the initial test flash of the universe circuit signals at the planetary reception-focus of Urantia.. We were, of course, all astir with the realization that a great event was impending; but since this world was a life-experiment station we had not the slightest idea of just how we would be apprised of the recognition of intelligent life on the planet. But we were not long in suspense. On the third day after the elopement of the twins, and before the Life Carrier corps departed there arrived the Nebadon archangel of initial planetary circuit establishment. "
Audience: " ... newly established mind circuit of the planet. "
Now, three days after they ran away, they didn't have Thought Adjusters, because that's when this statement was made. At sometime thereafter, they got Adjusters. And when they got Adjusters, that augmented their feeling of being something other than animals. Prior to that time, it was merely the possession of personality. I think the sequence is fairly (can't understand tape).
Audience: Laughter. Well, this intimated to me that they realized they were something more than their ancestors--
That's right.
Audience: And they ran away.
That's correct
Audience: And they realized they were something more than their ancestors because they had personality and Thought Adjusters.
No) just personality.
Audience: But they pray up here for them to get a Thought Adjuster.
No. While they were living with the primate tribe, I think it was the fact that they were persons that made them feel different. For example, they communicated more widely. They built better. They amplified. And they couldn't always teach their associates their new discoveries. And that was personality in action. Then they ran away, and three days later this prayer was issued and at sometime thereafter--on the trek north I would say--they got Adjusters.
Audience: The archangels got into the prayer that "speedily" they be endowed. But mind appeared-
Mind doesn't require Adjusters.
Audience: Mind appeared before they were Adjuster indwelt.
That's right You see, on a planet like ours, you could have personality, seven adjutants, and the holy spirit and be a bona fide human being with no Thought Adjuster at all. You might never get a Thought Adjuster.
Audience: What?
Well, I'll check that out for you.
Audience: Seven adjutants? How would you have the adjutant of worship--you couldn't worship an idol or something?
No, you could worship pretty well. Let's just check back here. We'll get the conditions of Adjuster indwelling. Let's take 1187, paragraph 5:
"Before the times of the pouring out of the Spirit of Truth upon the inhabitants of an evolutionary world the Adjusters' bestowal appears to be determined by many spirit influences and personality attitudes. We do not fully comprehend the laws governing such bestowals; we do not understand just what determines the release of the Adjusters who have volunteered to indwell such evolving minds. "
That's exactly the conditions we have here with Andon and Fonta.
"But we do observe numerous influences and conditions which appear to be associated with the arrival of the Adjusters in such minds prior to the bestowal of the Spirit of Truth and they are:First the assignment of personal seraphic guardians. Well, that wasn't the case here. I don't think. I could be wrong. Two, "the attainment of the third circle of intellectual achievement." I know that wasn't the case here--
Audience: I don't believe that was right either.
Three, "Upon the making of a supreme decision of unusual spiritual import." I'm not so dam sure that that might not be involved. This decision to flee was a critical decision.
Four, "The spirit of brotherhood. " No.
"Declaration of intention to do the will of God." No.
"Influence of the Supreme Being." Very possibly, very possibly. The Supreme Being is concerned with totals. And this is the total human race on the planet right now.
Audience: Come to think of it, it's all.
Yes. I would say--if I had to guess now-I would say it would be item number 3 and number 6 could be involved here. I could be suspectful of the Supreme Being here.
Audience: (Can't understand tape). Except on worlds where Adjusters do not fuse.
Audience: Uh-huh, there on 6. And they fuse.
Correct. I'm wrong. Right.
Audience: No, they did fuse.
There are worlds where they never fuse. The mortals survive by a different technique. But our world went through a--in its early stages of development--people survive by two methods:
Adjuster fusion and Spirit fusion. Not always did the Adjusters come back. Now, since the bestowal of Jesus, it is universal Adjuster bestowal. But part of that--Audience: Andon and Fonta--I don't quite understand--are you trying to say that they didn't fuse?
They fused.
Audience: Oh, they fused. Well, that's what comes from not knowing the Book.
But not all of their children did. Some of them made it by Spirit fusion
Audience: This goes back then to Berk's thing--when they made that decision (Can't understand tape). Well, they had already made that decision and the archangels are still praying for them?
Audience: Thank you heaven
At this point, I think we're splitting the hairs down to angstrom units.
Audience: Laughter.
I think they got their Adjusters pretty soon, but I'm sure that the archangels wouldn't have been praying uselessly. Three days after they started, I don't think they had 'em.
Audience: They might have been checking in at Orvonton.
I'm sure by the time that they had to build fire that they had 'em. When Fonta got the bird's nest.
Audience: Well, that's a thing that's kind of bothered me. The first contradictory statement in the whole book that I've ever found.
Audience: Has it finally been resolved itself to your total satisfaction?
Audience: I finally decided they were on Orvonton checking in there for a when the archangels were praying.
Audience: (Can't understand tape).
Uh-uh.
Audience: That's all true. The first part of any paper is kind of a summary, isn't it
Um-huh.
Audience: (Can't understand tape). [Cough. Shuffling pages.]
Audience: They may have had 'em, and the archangels didn't quite know it yet.
Um-mum. It says here: "On Jerusem both Andon and Fonta were fused with their Thought Adjusters, as also were several of their children, including Sontad, but the majority of even their immediate descendants only achieved Spirit fusion." (717.4)
Audience: Why?
Well, the Adjuster can't make enough contact with the mind. It's too primitive. And still this person merits survival. And so, he wakes up on the first mansion world, but there's no Adjuster there. The local universe Mother Spirit individualizes a portion of her spirit nature, and that immediately fuses with that being. And that mortal then becomes a spirit-fused ascender, whose destiny is a little different from us.
Audience: (Can't understand tape).
No. Such a being never gets an Adjuster.
Audience: (Can't understand tape).
Audience: They were the very first ones, though.
Audience: You'd think their children would be--
Well, some did and some didn't. You're on the dividing line.
Audience: (Can't understand tape).
Well, the Adjusters don't fuse.
Audience: (Can't understand tape).
The people have Adjusters, but they all move on as spirit beings-
Break in tape.
Audience: Agondonters have got something on the ball.
Audience: Next to Tabamantia, agondonters-
Audience: Well, we all are. Potential.
That's right.
Audience: Do those spirit-fused beings have (Can't understand tape).
I'm sure. I'm sure they do.
Audience: (Can't understand tape).
Audience: They can be Trinity-embraced
Yes, some can. Their destiny is uncertain. They can be sure only of getting to Salvington, although some trickle up all the way to Paradise. And, as they point out--I always like this one, here:
"Thus, in the final analysis, it would be hardly proper to use the words "greater" or "lesser" in contrasting the destinies of the ascending orders of sonship." (454.3)
Like Adjuster-fused or Spirit-fused
"Every such son of God shares the fatherhood of God, and God loves each of his creature sons alike; he is no more a respecter of ascendant destinies than is he of the creatures who may attain such destinies. The Father loves each of his sons, and that affection is not less than true, holy, divine, unlimited, eternal, and unique-a love bestowed upon this son and upon that son, individually, personally, and exclusively. and such a love utterly eclipses all other facts. Sonship is the supreme relationship of the creature to the Creator." (454.3)
You know that's true. Given that fact, nothing else means much. And without that fact, everything else could mean nothing.
Audience: Let's talk about the Universal Censors.
They're kind of mysterious beings, even to their colleagues. The Universal Censor is the judgment of the Trinity abroad in the universe. Censors work with Divine Counselors and Perfectors of Wisdom, also of Trinity origin. And the three wrote most of the Papers in Part 1. A Perfector of Wisdom does exactly what his name indicates: he perfects the wisdom of the past. The Divine Counselor forecasts into the future. That's why there are more of them, I think, than there are of any of the others.
Audience: There are only 7 of those.
It takes more to forecast the distal effect. But a Universal Censor would take a univac and give it an inferiority complex--if it were capable of having such--because a Universal Censor can absorb an indefinite, unlimited amount of data and is the complete master of that data. He can balance it, sort it, weigh it, evaluate it, and then pass out a decision. They make this interesting statement about them:
"The Censors are universe totaling personalities. When a thousand witnesses have given testimony--or a million--when the voice of wisdom has spoken and the counsel of divinity has recorded, when the testimony of ascendant perfection has been added--"
You might get some Mighty Messengers involved in this thing, too.
"--then the Censor functions, and there is immediately revealed an unerring and divine totaling of all that has transpired; and such a disclosure represents the divine conclusion, the sum and substance of a final and perfect decision. Therefore, when a Censor has spoken, no one else may speak, for the Censor has depicted the true and unmistakable total of all that has gone before. When he speaks, there is no appeal." (218.4)
You've had it. This is it
Audience: (Can't understand tape).
You see, this is just as if the Ancients of Days had spoken. And then, it's just as though the Paradise Trinity had spoken. And as it says elsewhere in the Papers, these folks, these Stationary Sons of the Trinity, they're not just finite beings, they're capable of responding to any situation. And if the situation is superfinite, they'll cope with it. They sort of roll with the punches. I think they can cope with anything--at least of Master Universe significance. Whether they could function beyond the Master Universe, I don't know, and it's a very technical question, because they're a long ways from getting to the edge of it. They can function for the foreseeable future.
This Paper is written by one of the colleagues of the Censor, a Divine Counselor. He goes on to say:
"Most fully do I understand the operation of the mind of a Perfector of Wisdom--"
Now, he doesn't say, "but I would assume he understands his own mind, too." So he understands two out of the three. He understands what a Counselor is like and what a Perfector of Wisdom is like.
"--but I certainly do not fully comprehend the working of the adjudicating mind of a Universal Censor. It appears to me that the Censors formulate new meanings and originate new values from the association of facts, truths, and findings presented to them in the course of an investigation of universe affairs. It seems probable that the Universal Censors are able to bring forth original interpretation of the combination of perfect Creator insight and the perfected creature experience. This association of Paradise perfection and universe experience undoubtedly eventuates a new value in ultimates." (218.5)
End of Tape.
Next tape:
"But this is not the end of our difficulties regarding the working of the minds of the Universal Censors. Having made due allowances for all that we know or conjecture about the functioning of a Censor in any given universe situation, we find that we are still unable to predict decisions or to forecast verdicts. We very accurately determine the probable result of the association of Creator attitude and creature experience, but such conclusions are not always accurate forecasts of Censor disclosures. It seems likely that the Censors are in some manner in liaison with the Deity Absolute; we are otherwise unable to explain many of their decisions and rulings." (218.6)
Well, now if this is the case, then we've hit something that would be unpredictable. You see, the Deity Absolute would react in a timeless way. The Deity Absolute would react in terms of not only the past and present but also the eternal future. And if you're going to try to forecast the decision, you're going to frame the decision with a situation that's comprehensible. But the Deity Absolute will be thinking in terms of the fourth outer space level as well as the seventh superuniverse. And of what lies beyond the fourth outer space level. The Deity Absolute thinks in terms of "everywhen" and everywhere.
Audience: You mean it transcends the Supreme mind?
Yes. They represent the Trinity. And how can you limit the Trinity?
Audience: But the Divine Counselor--that's it
That's right. I think he understands a part of the Censor's mind, because he qualifies his statement. I don't understand the adjudicating mind of the Censor, this totaling attribute he has, this synthesizing attribute, this ability to eventuate a new meaning and a new value. That's my concept of the Censor anyway.
Audience: I found them most interesting.
Let me ask you a question: Why are there one billion of them in Havona?
Audience: One on each sphere. Amazing.
Yeah, and no function.
Audience: I wanted to ask you that.
I beat you to the draw, because I don't know the answer, and now I've got you on the spot, see?
Audience: One billion of 'em.
They haven't a thing to do up there.
Audience: They're home in (can't understand tape), eternal state.
Probably. Now undoubtedly, they're going to have a function. But evidently, they only create Censors once, and since they're going to need these for the future, they just created what they're going to need for all future time. It doesn't bother them that they've got a billion Universal Censors just standing by with nothing to do.
Audience: Are they time conscious?
Well, they're warming up in the bull pen.
Audience: Laughter.
Are they time conscious? I think so, yes.
Audience: But they don't operate on any time.
They're not limited by time. I think you might say, a Censor is-he's not a transcendentaler, but he's something like a transcendentaler in that he knows all about time-
Audience: But he doesn't operate in time.
But he doesn't have to be limited by time. He might choose to be limited by time.
Audience: Well, then that explains--it doesn't make any difference to him.
Audience: Well, I don't understand why, if they have no function--
They're going to have a function.
Audience: Well, I understand. But one on each world--why don't they congregate 'em all together instead of dividing 'em all on each world? They must have some function.
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